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Hello everyone! This is my wiki for young people who either:
are vampires
pretend to be vampires
aren't vampires..but wishes they were
dream about vampires
dream about blood

if you are a vampire..or just like to do the other things listed....then you should join!

vampires banners-go here for banners

more goodies coming soon!

PLEASE! if you have any ideas for goodies...please message me at [apple babble]

I love everyone who joins..please..remember to have fun!

MEMBERS
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1.[poisoned_hearts] oooh first member!? GO ME!
2.[Cati Stormweaver] Young Vampire totally obessed with blood!!! Little Necromacer though, obsessed with dead things too..... ^^
3.[Painted By Numbers] blood is niiiiice huhuh ^^
4.[Arch Dandy]blood is mine, it comes from me...
5.[Evil Faerie Feline]
6.[i sneezed and my toe moved..] yes but u see im special!! im a hybrid one!!....well atleast i think thats wat it is...*ponders......*
7.[O.N.E.pathetic TWISTED wReck] woot!
8.[KillFace]
9.[Fallen_Angel_666]
10.[The Sexiest Sin]
11.[Lairel]
12.[Seikin] i added us both since she wasnt on it yet lol although she has the banner lol
13.[Pixie13] yeah for joining! mmm....
14.[~Galadriel~]
15.[z0mg wow.] AHAHAHA!... ''>>
16.[Cake poo]
17.[Lwena]
18.[HellsLastAngel]
19.[Blue Fish]
20.[Death's Die-Ary]
21.[Sloan]
22.[?brandi080786?]
23.[Gothic_Devil]
24.[Mikey27]
25.[Senoir Potato]
26.[chainer401]
27.[crazy_juggalette]
28.[~Selene~]
29.[JAreturns 14]
30.[Glucko]
31.[gek]
32.[Steel Mal'ak]
33.[Sachiko]
34.[schmee!]
35.[Kuyashinaki_]
36.[Miss.Kayree]
37.[sic_twisted_me]
38.[~NatureBorn~]
39.[Kiss of the vampyr]
40.[*~* physco spagetti o's*~*]
41.[LaDy_DrAc]
42.[Mrs.Carson] drink from me and live forever!
43.[Your Crying Dollie] **noises in back ground go drip. drip. drip.** mmmm....blood. vampier witches rule!
44.[she's gone country] wow.. it's me don't get to excited...
45.[deliquesce] there is nothing wront with drinking blood
46.[Acidic Khemica]blood the best thing in this world
47.[Poison Addict] *wipes blood of lips*
48.[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy] mmmmmm..... BLOOD!
49.[Honeybunny and Honeybear] ~ only blood keeps us alive
50.[Dragon whore]
51.[?Fantasy?]
52.[Bloody Rose]
53.[Fireheart2233]
54.[Love me. Hate Me. I'm still on UR mind.]
55.[Night Wytch]
56.[Gemini of the Black Rose] Im new
57.[Kira_fox]
58.[Nicole15] Hey gem
59.[Kira_fox]
60.[a shattered mirror] somebody bite me !! \M/
61.[Bruna]
62.[*paper doll*]
63.[Kaito] i love vampires there the best because im one
64.[Vessel 4 Christ] Vampires rule the world.
65. [xOx Katherine xOx] Vampiers are the best!! I have always wanted to be one!! Any vampiers wanna bite me???
66.[elvenstarr] *lurks off to catch some breakfast*
67.[connor's left elftown] pretends be a vampire
68.[Murlough]
69.[Brokn To Perfektion]*licks blood off finger tips*
70.[Leaegd] Now just give me blood!
71.[swabloo] *runs off with knife* Breakfast, 0 breakfaaaaaast.........
72. [Lycanthrope Heart] -licks fangs hungrily- anyone bleeding?
73. [Katisama] i have joined too meny vampire wikis......*shrugs and takes sip of blood from a wine glass*
74.[fjdka]bites u all and takes ur blood... muhahaha
75. [Vampirian] well i offer blood to the young ones from a creature that is almost as old as the vampires them selves but im also looking for blood of a vampire to drink to survive.
76. [daydreams of happyer times]
77. [conejo] I crave blood.....oh yea, and i am a vampire
78. [dark_goth]
79.[paige.ilien.]
80[Shadow serpenz]
82. [goneinsane06] I don't crave I give to those who want.
83. [paige.ilien.]
84.[dark dimension] ive always loved the wonderful sticky sweet taste of blood
89. [Unchained Melody]
90. [KuraiSenshi] Im a vampire, thats all i have to say.
91. [alu]
92. [NeferShen]
93.[Sinistra.] hissssssssssss
94.[Child Of The Dark]
95.[Diiwica]
96.[dark_essence]
97. [x-xVanityx-x] Blood is tasty!
98. [Shawndonda] hmmm....blood!
99.[Illona] Im a Dark Queen of the night and i have my King...lol im still goen to join though , Blood KICKS BOOTY...LOL
100.[ScarelttVampress] We have eternity... A curse some say.. A gift I say...Life starts with blood and ends with it.... Why do you think we drink it......
101.[morbid_chick333]ai am the vampire queen!! **evil laugh**
102.[Lady Vampire] Uhhhh.......Hi
103.[ebonytears]Donate ur blood today! .. u could save my life.
104.[dressedtokill] A female assassin..half vampire half human..and always hungry.
105.[It's An Addiction] Pets.
106.[Phoenix_phyre] Hmmm....cookies and the undead aas I always say, cookies and the undead. *shakes her head seriously assertingly*
107.[iMosh so should you] Coming form pennsylvania, i have quite a knack for vamp. folklore. i know their ways, and alot of the differances, I believe i am one, to a certin degree, if anyone messes with me, i shall bite them.

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2005-02-06 [dark dimension]: lol

2005-02-06 [Acidic Khemica]: Kai:*smiles*so anyway how are you?

2005-02-06 [*~Sora~*]: *sits* i'm soooo lost! ><

2005-02-06 [Acidic Khemica]: Kai:*laughs*

2005-02-06 [*~Sora~*]: *smiles* it's nothing new really OH! but guess what for school when we act out Romeo and Juliet i'm going to be Juliet for the balcony scene! I'm so happy!

2005-02-06 [Acidic Khemica]: Kai:i never really liked to be in plays..lol

2005-02-07 [dark dimension]: wow last time was in a play i ended up getting really sick on the day of the performance i got sick back stge , but i stilkl preformed

2005-02-07 [Acidic Khemica]: lol

2005-02-09 [dark dimension]: its true

2005-02-09 [*~Sora~*]: haha! :P i'm not like that usually....i used to be a cheerleader, i'm an officer in my 4-h club, I show my horse, I sing, and I do plays.....*sighs* and I used to do baseball, gymnastics, flute,and dance, but I quit a lot of that....now i'm taking on archery....0.0 ....maybe I am an active person.....

2005-02-11 [dark dimension]: ohh i love archery,its kool that you do so much

2005-02-11 [Acidic Khemica]: yup

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: cool and hard

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: no really once you arble to hold the bow and arrow its quite simple just keep both eyes opean im not that bad at it i hit the tagert more then not

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: archery isn't hard keeping up with all the stuff is hard! Not to mention just keeping up with all of you!

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: lol yah that i can understand. i try to get on every day but it doesnt always work and im already behind in school, im grounded for not cleaning my room, i got my drawing paper taken away for not cleaning the house

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: 0.0....well....I don't like to draw....but I have to because when i'm older I am going to make anime with everyone....oh yeah...and I have to learn how to speak japanese, eat with chopsticks, and play the drums for our band! *falls down and whines* this bites!

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: i can play drum i have a drum set to but it just broke , i can eat with chopsticks and ohh waity i cant speak japanes but i wish i could. drums are really easy to learn and so is eating with chopstick to make it easier use a rubber band to hold them together

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: lol I can eat with chopstick, but I don't like to so usually I end up throwing them across the room screaming, and I can speak a little japanese...my name is japanese! sora! ^^ *loves her name* it means sky

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: ^_^

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: my japanese name is KuraiKiken, it means dark danger.

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: i love eating with chop sticks

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: ^^ :P :( *tear* I want my mommy! ><

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: ^^ :P :( *tear* I want my mommy! >< i'm worried about them

2005-02-12 [dark dimension]: worried bout who or what?

2005-02-12 [*~Sora~*]: my mommies!

2005-02-13 [aimfire]: *hugs Sora* You'll be ok, and so will they.

2005-02-13 [*~Sora~*]: *hugs back*

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: yay, people who like japanese. ^_^ I love it. can any1 speak it well? or not?

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: sora can she loves it she still calls me baka

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: lol. kool. i can to. yay people to talk to lol. sora is..... demongirl?

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: yup

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: ok. kool. i will speak to her when she comes back.

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: okay well she is kinda shy so she might not talk to u

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: yeah. i have away with this sort of thing. i am good at talking to people. that is my only gift, apart from vampirism.

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: heh

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: wot??????

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: nothing

2005-02-14 [Final_omega]: ok. lol

2005-02-14 [Acidic Khemica]: yea

2005-02-15 [dark dimension]: i have a issue with making people laugh, its quite fun but right now im depressed because soem one stole my wallet

2005-02-15 [Final_omega]: its ok. unless you had alot of money in there, or a picture of a dead loved one. *the voices in his head get louder* kill them!! no im kidin, sorry to here hit

2005-02-21 [dark dimension]: yup, the total amount stolen from me would have totaled up to * takes out cauculater* lets see carry the three times by 4.... 40 dallors

2005-02-22 [Final_omega]: lol. well it could be worse. it could have been 400

2005-02-23 [dark dimension]: yahhh but it still got me mad it was freaken valintines day, that made the whole thing worse. i was alreading having a bad day

2005-02-26 [*~Sora~*]: *walks in followed by a group of children and holding a little girl*

2005-02-26 [Final_omega]: HUH???? What was that post about?

2005-02-26 [dark dimension]: ????????

2005-02-26 [*~Sora~*]: *looks at them and smiles*...babysitting...points to the children naming off names Andrew is my little cousin, Nicki, also a cousin, Megi my friend, Ausin my nephew, and *smiles at the little girl she was holding* my neice Emma...please no bitting them, okay?

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: ohh fun babysittings just great*says sacastically* so you getting paid?

2005-02-27 [aimfire]: *pokes uncertian* Don't backtalk Sora

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: *_*dont poke me *pokes you back* whos sora?

2005-02-27 [aimfire]: *demongrl666*

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: i was backtalking her?

2005-02-27 [aimfire]: 'ohh fun babysittings just great*says sacastically* so you getting paid?' I would say sarcasim is a form of backtalking, or at least disrespect.

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: no its not. well it is, but only when it is used to be disrispectful. other than that it can be quite humerous really.

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: yes it is backtalking to a sense when your useing there word back at them in a sacastic way, but if its as a joke then its supposed to be humerious, funning ,playful, nonharmful its just something silly you do its not disrespecting anyone is it

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: let her decide if it is

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: ok

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: *smiles at the little girl then looks at the two of them*...it doesn't matter. I love to babysit them....it as strange as it sounds...calms me down. You know.....they know about us....and they still treat us the same....*the children know she is talking about them and stop to listen*....and yes I am getting paid, but only for some of them, most of the children I care for is my volenteer work.

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: ohhhh, thats kool

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: kool. yeah i like to baby sit, and i am a guy! i no it sounds wierd but yeah, i get that relaxed feeling too.

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: o yeah, and i was told u could speak Nihongo. is that correct?

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: ??? ummmm.... okay...it's nothing to me, really, but no wonder i'm spoiled....three horses, two dogs, acres and acres of free land, a pond, clubhouse, basketball court, swingset, volleyball net, computers, big screen t.v., playstation, free anime, *sighs*...and yet I still get bored because I don't like to do anything without someone...SOMEONE come over and play with me! :(

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: ok. i mean i was told u could speak japanese, if a little.

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: konnichiwa tomodachi, anata baka! ^^ *laughs*

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: ok. so i take it as a little. Konichiwa, watashiwa Luke desu, benkio shimasuka?

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: *stares for a second and then screams* Kati-sama! AUNT KATI! People are saying things I don't understand again!!!

2005-02-27 [dark dimension]: *_*, i envy you, i wish i kew to speack japanese all i know is kurai and kiken, which is my name for anime club, my friends decided it

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: I'm learning it along with a million other things...does anyone know how to play the drums by any chance????

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: i can do many things, but that isnt ne of them. sorry

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: oh i'm doomed!

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: sorry i cant help. it is only drums, why r u doomed?

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: I'm not doomed really I have a while, but I am a member of a future band and I have to be good at drums just in case *sigh* they swithched me!

2005-02-27 [Final_omega]: o. sorry to hear. i wanna be a member of a band cos i have a really strong voice. but unfortunatly it is not so. :(

2005-02-27 [*~Sora~*]: awww...*hugs* don't be sad!

2005-02-28 [aimfire]: *hugs Sora* A band?

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: 3G

2005-02-28 [aimfire]: what sings you?

2005-02-28 [dark dimension]: i play drums in a band with my church, im accutally not bad at it either

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: kool. sounds good to me.

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: there is always someone who knows...

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: .......

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: hey akira...please stay on elftown i'll be right back, but my brother needs the computer

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: okay...

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: sorry I took so long

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: it is okay ^_^

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *laughs* some girl just gave her ex a wegie on t.v.! ^^ *laughs*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: haha

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: ouch. pain!!! *eyes cross* you dont understand how painful that would be.

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *looks at omega*actually i do my sister did it to me

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: yeah. ok. well, still OUCH!!!!

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *laughs* I give people wegies, only people like little kids in my family though....oh yeah...and once my 18 year old brother got me so mad that I kicked him where it hurts and....well....he spent an hour laying in the hallway....so beware, I can be a brat...

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: yea she can^_^

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *smiles at Akira*...but only if you are really mean or i'm just not happy.....or when I drink grapejuice...like last night *guilty look*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: lol

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: well, nobody was there to stop me. okay, so maaybe they were, but I was inside with my brother and mom, and they were outside! ^^ hahaha!

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: haha

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: Talus yelled at me though, when not really, but he almost told on me...

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: Talus yelled at me though, when not really, but he almost told on me...do you think I scared the other person away?

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: lol. yeah. wait im am the other person. AGHHH there are to many of me!!

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: ....*hides behind Akira* okay....this is strange

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *looks at sora*^_^'

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: hi. sorry about that. my other me is back in his cage now.

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *still hiding* mommy!...scratch that...mommies!

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *looks at sora*0o eh heh^^'

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *clings*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *laughs at sora*hehe

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: lol. sorry. *holds out hand* I dont bite... hard.

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *laughs*

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *clings harder and hides her face*

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: *grins showing fangs*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *growls showing her fangs*dont mess with her

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *looks at him not afraid of his fangs the slighest bit*....if you bite me...i'm warning you a lot of people will be mad that you took my yummy blood! :P

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: ...you see

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: HAY HAY. i was just jokin. Stands up to full height. I need no blood, i just had a feast. I love my donors. 3 pints

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *looks at akira*...I remember when I was a donor....but then everyone feel in love with my blood, so now i'm all yours..

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: huh??

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: heh yea im kinda over protected

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: by Rachel?

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: ok. so how much do you cost. i need the protection 2. there are many in my area who call themselves hunters

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *her face goes blank at that last word and she starts to cry*

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: huh. whats up??

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *clings to Akira and cries*

2005-02-28 [Final_omega]: HUH????

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *clings very tight to Akira*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *looks at omega*uh she is alittle yea

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: Akira! HUNTERS! *clings even tighter, now remembering the hunters that are after her*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: heh sora it is okay

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: they are scary..

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: yea i know

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: they scare you, too?

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: no they are scarey looking though ^_^'

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *nods* yeah they are, but they hurt me and they made Rini cry because she was afraid they would kill me

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: ........

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: they tried to kill me, but I lived and Rini was crying...

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: hmm

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: what are we going to do? they are after the whole chan family and probably our friends...including you *looks at akira*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: they dont know me i dont know any hunters i have never faced any

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: what if they come to get us?

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: they wont sora

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: promise?

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: i cant promise but i sure can garantee that if they hurt oyu i will be there to kill them

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *hugs her* like Rini was there with me too. She was holding me talking to me and I opened my eyes and she smiled, but then I noticed she was crying so I hugged her and she hugged me back for a long time....I was so scared

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *she hugs sora*

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *curls up in her arms*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *she smiles and holds sora*

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: ((Talus is making me bite him...><)) you are my mommy

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: -.- oh yea i should stand up shouldnt i

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: huh?

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: nothing

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: okay..

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: heh motherly thing

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *smiles*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: ^_^

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: *hugs her*

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: *she hugs sora*

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: I trust you so much

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: i am glad you do

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: guess what

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: what?

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: I'm going to let Rei heal me for good, but it won't be for a while one of two things will happen i'll die, or I will get all better....it's risky, but we are going to try it

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: yea.....

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: i'm nervous and excited at the same time...it's weird, but I really want her to try or I will never get better

2005-02-28 [Acidic Khemica]: yea

2005-02-28 [*~Sora~*]: what's wrong?

2005-03-01 [Acidic Khemica]: nothing

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: I have good news...*smiles*

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: okay

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: ...i'm not telling! *teases her*

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: -.-

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: okay okay....I have gained five pounds, I weigh 90 pounds now! but don't get to excited over it....Rei still can't get to me long enough to...you know

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: heh

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: ...*looks at her*...Akira....please stop smoking and drinking...*you can tell she's worried*

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: o.0

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: ...I told you...I always want to know the truth...you all tell the truth when I am gone....why don't you all just tell me?

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: you never asked and i stopped a while ago

2005-03-03 [*~Sora~*]: ...promise...

2005-03-03 [Acidic Khemica]: i do

2005-03-04 [*~Sora~*]: *hugs* thank you....*she leaves without another word*

2005-03-04 [Acidic Khemica]: okay

2005-03-04 [*~Sora~*]: *quietly heads off to wolf army*

2005-03-04 [Acidic Khemica]: hmm

2005-03-13 [dark dimension]: i back

2005-03-13 [Acidic Khemica]: yay

2005-03-15 [dark dimension]: yups i at anime club right now

2005-03-15 [Acidic Khemica]: cool

2005-03-15 [dark dimension]: yup but im not supposed to be here

2005-03-15 [Acidic Khemica]: lol!

2005-03-15 [fjdka]: i aint supposed to be here either... banned by father, but really he can't stop me. just like he can't stop my lust... my blood lust...

2005-03-17 [*~Sora~*]: Me three....for not being allowed to be here, but is anyways...besides my stepfather can't lay another finger on me or else he's getting it....we got in a fight and he torn apart my room, took my horse away, hurt me, and drove away for the night....we haven't talked since.

2005-03-20 [fjdka]: ah, not as bad as my fight with my dad, but i hurt him. however, im "banned" and he's sitting behind me on the couch and not sayin nethign!

2005-03-25 [Acidic Khemica]: hmm

2005-03-25 [*~Sora~*]: 0.o wow someone commented! *smiles* don't worry I hurt them back...I drew blood...*guilty look* not a lot....

2005-03-25 [Acidic Khemica]: heh i would have killed them

2005-03-25 [*~Sora~*]: ...you are bigger and stronger than me, but if Rei finds out that there have been two more bad fights since the first one with my stepdad...she WILL kill him...besides...it is kinda hard to even fight them to begin with....

2005-03-25 [Acidic Khemica]: yeah sometimes that happens

2005-03-25 [*~Sora~*]: ...yeah...I wonder what the heck got into them anyways?!?!? 0.o

2005-03-25 [Acidic Khemica]: i dont know

2005-03-25 [*~Sora~*]: help! *pouty face* how do you put banners in your house!?!?! *is getting angered at the stupid banners not going up*

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